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Title: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 30 May 2012 à 21:44:16
jsut want to ask and clear things ...

HTLauncher 2012-05-31 04-20-18-01ART OF CE BY McRory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYZj1gCuml4#)
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: MsALLSundaY on 30 May 2012 à 22:03:26
i doubt...
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Post by: Boysunkit on 30 May 2012 à 22:06:51
mcrory? former misshannah? top 2? mag CE pa? ano ba naman...mcrory half sa mp mo dagdag mo sa akin...:D hehehheh :guitare-3000fr:
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Post by: RAY •❤• ANNE on 30 May 2012 à 22:07:39
lahat naman para sayo CE  :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: mc_15 on 30 May 2012 à 22:22:25
jsut want to ask and clear things ...

HTLauncher 2012-05-31 04-20-18-01ART OF CE BY McRory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYZj1gCuml4#)

Wow CE na sa inyo un? hahah cge kuha ka lng vids ang babaw mo  :lol: :lol: :lol:

buffs + skills CE na sa inyo? hahahah

mcrory? former misshannah? top 2? mag CE pa? ano ba naman...mcrory half sa mp mo dagdag mo sa akin...:D hehehheh :guitare-3000fr:

Sure ka sunkit ako un? hahah sana tinignan mo muna sa forums kung sino me dati bago ka nag post :lol: :lol: :lol:


So people call me CE now? silly TS hahah its ok to cry anyway  :lol:
Go tell GM 3K about this too hahah :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: MEZZERSCHMITT on 30 May 2012 à 22:41:02
laugh trip hahahahaa  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: Masochist on 30 May 2012 à 22:44:51
laugh trip hahahahaa  :lol: :lol: :lol:

 :lol: iutot mo nlng drew wahaha
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: MEZZERSCHMITT on 30 May 2012 à 22:47:21
:lol: iutot mo nlng drew wahaha
hahahaaa  :lol: :lol:
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Post by: MsALLSundaY on 30 May 2012 à 22:55:46
laugh trip hahahahaa  :lol: :lol: :lol:

ahahahah tawa ka na lng.. :lol:

:lol: iutot mo nlng drew wahaha

kaw din bads..kakabagin ka nyan... :lol:
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Post by: DemonicStriker on 30 May 2012 à 23:01:44
parating pa lang yung dating MissHannaH.. :g22:
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Post by: Art Of Destruction on 30 May 2012 à 23:48:53
d yan sila CE...
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: •UNDENIABLE• on 31 May 2012 à 04:12:46

one word "WEAK"    :g231: :g231:

sakata+dusha+samayuga and sakata+shield+poison am i right? :g7:  correct me if i am wrong, im not a karya expert.  :lol: :lol:
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Post by: NinaGrace on 31 May 2012 à 04:26:56
sa ganyan ka'clear na casting ce na ba yan?  :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 04:30:32
Wow CE na sa inyo un? hahah cge kuha ka lng vids ang babaw mo  :lol: :lol: :lol:

buffs + skills CE na sa inyo? hahahah

Sure ka sunkit ako un? hahah sana tinignan mo muna sa forums kung sino me dati bago ka nag post :lol: :lol: :lol:


So people call me CE now? silly TS hahah its ok to cry anyway  :lol:
Go tell GM 3K about this too hahah :lol:

d hindi CE tarantadao ka pla eh,kaya nga may question mark ehh ginawan pa kita ng poll general discussion ko nilagay, gusto ko lng malaman anong klaseng galaw yan 2 chaya? buffs skills cast at the same time dahil ba sa shifting yan?

wala akong paki alam kung sino d kita kilala asar lng ako sa mga bugger  at CE :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 04:32:05
one word "WEAK"    :g231: :g231:

sakata+dusha+samayuga and sakata+shield+poison am i right? :g7:  correct me if i am wrong, im not a karya expert.  :lol: :lol:

weak nga ako pero marami ka na utang boy dafa...dika pala karya expert nag  comment ka pa bobo  :lol: napapahiya ka lng...
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 04:40:20
lahat naman para sayo CE  :lol:

yun lng alam mong way para matalo mo si sera  :lol:
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Post by: BLaKMamBa on 31 May 2012 à 04:49:03
mcrory? former misshannah? top 2? mag CE pa? ano ba naman...mcrory half sa mp mo dagdag mo sa akin...:D hehehheh :guitare-3000fr:

For me not CE.....
Just Look the HP of  Englisera
Half life......Kaya sya na 1 hit Akila.....
I'ts normal move.......  :g20: :g20:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 04:56:34
For me not CE.....
Just Look the HP of  Englisera
Half life......Kaya sya na 1 hit Akila.....
I'ts normal move.......  :g20: :g20:

d po makapag cast ng skill yung druka sir ripu po sya  :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 05:03:34
d yan sila CE...

thanks bro...
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 05:05:01
sa ganyan ka'clear na casting ce na ba yan?  :lol:

yes or no lng ganda ok n ko dun...
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: -=N1tSUJ=- on 31 May 2012 à 05:58:18
hindi yan CE bugger lang :lol: :lol:
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Post by: DennisTheMenace on 31 May 2012 à 06:19:43
nope


but yun casting from 0:09 to 0:12.. ganun ba talaga kabilis? d ko alam kasi d ako karya .. prang mabilis lang yata sa screen ko.


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Post by: zmasher on 31 May 2012 à 06:26:27
Wow CE na sa inyo un? hahah cge kuha ka lng vids ang babaw mo  :lol: :lol: :lol:

buffs + skills CE na sa inyo? hahahah

Sure ka sunkit ako un? hahah sana tinignan mo muna sa forums kung sino me dati bago ka nag post :lol: :lol: :lol:


So people call me CE now? silly TS hahah its ok to cry anyway  :lol:
Go tell GM 3K about this too hahah :lol:


:lol: natatawa ako d2. YAN NAPALA mo  :lol: :lol: GANYAN talaga kapag hindi mo pinaghirapan ang MP  :lol: TAGASALO ka lang ng BASURA ng iba ...   earn your own MP  :lol: :lol:  wag mong kunin pinaghirapan ng iba , i mean the old MissHannaH  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 

Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: Boy Dengue on 31 May 2012 à 06:34:31
AHHASAHHAAHAHHA...MAGALING YAN TALGA... LOL KA. . .NATATAWA LNG NGA AKO SAU EH..EnGelisa
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: MsALLSundaY on 31 May 2012 à 06:36:17

:lol: natatawa ako d2. YAN NAPALA mo  :lol: :lol: GANYAN talaga kapag hindi mo pinaghirapan ang MP  :lol: TAGASALO ka lang ng BASURA ng iba ...   earn your own MP  :lol: :lol:  wag mong kunin pinaghirapan ng iba , i mean the old MissHannaH  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 



natatawa din ako saU..
they have the money to buy high MP chars..mind your own business na lang..
pki-alam mo sa gusto nila gawin..

tsk tsk...

pati pgbuy ng char big deal pa  :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: zmasher on 31 May 2012 à 06:38:13
AHHASAHHAAHAHHA...MAGALING YAN TALGA... LOL KA. . .NATATAWA LNG NGA AKO SAU EH..EnGelisa

LOL hnd ako yun baboy  :lol:
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Post by: StukjeGrondz on 31 May 2012 à 06:45:35

:lol: natatawa ako d2. YAN NAPALA mo  :lol: :lol: GANYAN talaga kapag hindi mo pinaghirapan ang MP  :lol: TAGASALO ka lang ng BASURA ng iba ...   earn your own MP  :lol: :lol:  wag mong kunin pinaghirapan ng iba , i mean the old MissHannaH  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 



kababawan ang post mo sir!!!! mas nkakatawa ka po  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: Jada02 on 31 May 2012 à 06:51:09

:lol: natatawa ako d2. YAN NAPALA mo  :lol: :lol: GANYAN talaga kapag hindi mo pinaghirapan ang MP  :lol: TAGASALO ka lang ng BASURA ng iba ...   earn your own MP  :lol: :lol:  wag mong kunin pinaghirapan ng iba , i mean the old MissHannaH  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 



better read announcements.. u got the wrong information. Read 1st before reacting kasi MAS mukha ka po nkakatawa sa gingawa mo.
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Post by: MsALLSundaY on 31 May 2012 à 06:52:36
better read announcements.. u got the wrong information. Read 1st before reacting kasi MAS mukha ka po nkakatawa sa gingawa mo.

 :g20:

kababawan ang post mo sir!!!! mas nkakatawa ka po  :lol: :lol: :lol:

 :g20:


 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: StukjeGrondz on 31 May 2012 à 06:56:07
:g20:

 :g20:


 :lol: :lol: :lol:

wag ka tumawa Aims..

I duno sa kanya if inocente or total stupidity... mag comment ba ng ganyan :lol:
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Post by: MsALLSundaY on 31 May 2012 à 06:58:58
wag ka tumawa Aims..

I duno sa kanya if inocente or total stupidity... mag comment ba ng ganyan :lol:

hahha

ewan ko nga sa kanya..affected ata sa pagbuy ng MissHannaH acct or feel lang tlga nya mg-comment ng ganun.. :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: Boy Dengue on 31 May 2012 à 07:01:14
LOL hnd ako yun baboy  :lol:

Wla ata kayo alam sa larong ito..BEtter Explore

simpleng Moves lng nga yan LOL
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Post by: StukjeGrondz on 31 May 2012 à 07:03:02
hahha

ewan ko nga sa kanya..affected ata sa pagbuy ng MissHannaH acct or feel lang tlga nya mg-comment ng ganun.. :lol:

kahit ang MH owner is happy sa decision nya for financial reason  :bigsmile:

his just TROLLING big time  :lol: :lol:
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Post by: MsALLSundaY on 31 May 2012 à 07:05:20
Wla ata kayo alam sa larong ito..BEtter Explore

simpleng Moves lng nga yan LOL

 :g20:
kahit di ako marunong mag-karya, lam ko pa rin yan khit papano :D

kahit ang MH owner is happy sa decision nya for financial reason  :bigsmile:

his just TROLLING big time  :lol: :lol:

ahahah..agree.. :lol:
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Post by: NinaGrace on 31 May 2012 à 07:47:47
ilang dummy accounts kaya ang ni'log in nito para mag vote ng YES? bwahhahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: MsALLSundaY on 31 May 2012 à 07:52:24
ilang dummy accounts kaya ang ni'log in nito para mag vote ng YES? bwahhahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hahah..same thought..tsk tsk

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: RAY •❤• ANNE on 31 May 2012 à 09:37:58
yun lng alam mong way para matalo mo si sera  :lol:

weh? mxdo kang feeling! hahaha magpots ka ksi! ayan nddapa haha! fs kba? :lol: kya pla lging

KiNDRED killed Englisera! hahaha d ngppots ! hahah
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 09:45:25
ilang dummy accounts kaya ang ni'log in nito para mag vote ng YES? bwahhahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 :g202:  :g202:  :g202: napasilip lng break time ko...gumawa k rin ng maraming dummy accnt
tapos vote ka rin ng no  :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: Boy Dengue on 31 May 2012 à 10:00:06
KALOKOHAN LNG TO.. LOL
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Post by: NinaGrace on 31 May 2012 à 10:16:24
:g202:  :g202:  :g202: napasilip lng break time ko...gumawa k rin ng maraming dummy accnt
tapos vote ka rin ng no  :lol:

parang inamin mo rin na sayo yang dummy accounts ang ni'log in para mag vote ng YES  :lol:
sorry mister pero nasa tamang ayos pa nman utak ko.. di ako gagawa ng dummy account para lang dito lels  :lol:
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Post by: Masochist on 31 May 2012 à 10:21:08
parang inamin mo rin na sayo yang dummy accounts ang ni'log in para mag vote ng YES  :lol:
sorry mister pero nasa tamang ayos pa nman utak ko.. di ako gagawa ng dummy account para lang dito lels  :lol:


wahahahaha panalooooooooo  :g20:  :lol:
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Post by: Dianne on 31 May 2012 à 11:16:11
Clear for me. No CE detected from my observation.
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: Boy Dengue on 31 May 2012 à 11:23:58
wahahahaha panalooooooooo  :g20:  :lol:

KRUMA NA LNG TAYO HEHEhehehehe
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Post by: PAGIBIG on 31 May 2012 à 11:42:03
mcrory? former misshannah? top 2? mag CE pa? ano ba naman...mcrory half sa mp mo dagdag mo sa akin...:D hehehheh :guitare-3000fr:



 :lol: :lol: :lol: sabi ko na may lalabas na video na ganito nako kung si nasipit nakakita nito baka sabihing CE

buffs+irin+samayoga   idol


si Misshanah si Mcxephy
old Mcxephy ata si Mcrory na

base on MP makikita naman..  sarap ka 1 on 1 nila..
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: jamie on 31 May 2012 à 14:02:18
d po makapag cast ng skill yung druka sir ripu po sya  :lol:

look closely to your video ang ripu mo sir is si Sadist and not McRory(https://forum-tantra.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl5.glitter-graphics.net%2Fpub%2F368%2F368985u61hahixuw.gif&hash=a6c784f308b39804a6d110a27009d55fbb10bbbf)

and its not CE (https://forum-tantra.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl7.glitter-graphics.net%2Fpub%2F369%2F369167new03mb0ow.gif&hash=417cc00cbd3c5317d4ee928807d4e15c45b7b764)
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Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 17:05:20
parang inamin mo rin na sayo yang dummy accounts ang ni'log in para mag vote ng YES  :lol:
sorry mister pero nasa tamang ayos pa nman utak ko.. di ako gagawa ng dummy account para lang dito lels  :lol:


tukoyin mo kung sino sinasabihan mo ...mamatay gumagamit ng dummy accnt sa thread na to kasama a buong familya asawa at anak nya  :eldiablo:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 17:07:19
look closely to your video ang ripu mo sir is si Sadist and not McRory(https://forum-tantra.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl5.glitter-graphics.net%2Fpub%2F368%2F368985u61hahixuw.gif&hash=a6c784f308b39804a6d110a27009d55fbb10bbbf)

and its not CE (https://forum-tantra.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl7.glitter-graphics.net%2Fpub%2F369%2F369167new03mb0ow.gif&hash=417cc00cbd3c5317d4ee928807d4e15c45b7b764)


alam ko...basa ka pa kunti ganda  :g34:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 17:12:46
weh? mxdo kang feeling! hahaha magpots ka ksi! ayan nddapa haha! fs kba? :lol: kya pla lging

KiNDRED killed Englisera! hahaha d ngppots ! hahah

mahiya ka nmn sobrang feeler sa 1 on 1 ba yan? bumawi ka nmn sa akin dafa ka nga kagabi  susugod k  lng pag may ksamang satya d ka marunong mag 1 on 1 binili mo lng char mo kaya d mo alam gamitin gusto 1 on 1 mag full buffs ka pa ng fs  sama  ka ng yaya mo haha haha  :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: RAY •❤• ANNE on 31 May 2012 à 17:15:13
mahiya ka nmn sobrang feeler sa 1 on 1 ba yan? bumawi ka nmn sa akin dafa ka nga kagabi  susugod k  lng pag may ksamang satya d ka marunong mag 1 on 1 binili mo lng char mo kaya d mo alam gamitin gusto 1 on 1 mag full buffs ka pa ng fs  sama  ka ng yaya mo haha haha  :lol:

binili?  :lol: sorry ah maxado ako mabait kaya BINIGAY lang yan sakin mr. pilot  :eldiablo:  :lol:
dapa? wahaha kelan ? KiNDRED killed englisera lagi nakkta ko e..
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Post by: SniperAmmo on 31 May 2012 à 17:21:33
For me hindi CE yan si rory  :g22: kasabay ko pa yan d2 hahaha dami lang talagang napapadapa yan sa kruma.. :lol:
VAG lang yan hahaha (sa amin nalang yun :lol: ) baka makiki uso din kasi iba.. hahaha :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 17:25:34
binili?  :lol: sorry ah maxado ako mabait kaya BINIGAY lang yan sakin mr. pilot  :eldiablo:  :lol:
dapa? wahaha kelan ? KiNDRED killed englisera lagi nakkta ko e..

tama yan mag move ka kaagad pag napapadafa ka ni sera baka tamarin ka na agad ... try natin ngyun? OL ako, mag CE kana d ka mananalo  :g22:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: RAY •❤• ANNE on 31 May 2012 à 17:28:06
tama yan mag move ka kaagad pag napapadafa ka ni sera baka tamarin ka na agad ... try natin ngyun? OL ako, mag CE kana d ka mananalo  :g22:

i feel mo lang maigi piloto :lol: at umiyak ka nlng ng umiyak   :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 17:31:45


 :lol: :lol: :lol: sabi ko na may lalabas na video na ganito nako kung si nasipit nakakita nito baka sabihing CE

buffs+irin+samayoga   idol


si Misshanah si Mcxephy
old Mcxephy ata si Mcrory na

base on MP makikita naman..  sarap ka 1 on 1 nila..

check mo sir  sa time 0:19 buffs irin cast at the same time samoyoga (samoyoga has a 6 to 7 sec cool time) ganun dapat kabilis mag samoyoga ulit??? I thinkd d nga CE bugger nmn tama ba?
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 17:33:59
i feel mo lang maigi piloto :lol: at umiyak ka nlng ng umiyak   :lol:

ok umiiyak  :g22: wag lng bakla katulad mo sayang ganda ni mrs kindred rustom padilla ka nmn pala  :lol: sabihin mo lng kung ayaw dami sat sat BAKLA!!!!
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: Masochist on 31 May 2012 à 17:36:12
non sense nmn tong thread na to. lalagay poll sabay aaccuse CE. NAG LAGAY KA PA NG POLL!!   :lol:

check mo sir  sa time 0:19 buffs irin cast at the same time samoyoga (samoyoga has a 6 to 7 sec cool time) ganun dapat kabilis mag samoyoga ulit??? I thinkd d nga CE bugger nmn tama ba?

animation lng yan. khit cnong PRO karya ask mo  :g32:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: RAY •❤• ANNE on 31 May 2012 à 17:38:14
ok umiiyak  :g22: wag lng bakla katulad mo sayang ganda ni mrs kindred rustom padilla ka nmn pala  :lol: sabihin mo lng kung ayaw dami sat sat BAKLA!!!!

wahahaha bakla? o ganun ka lang katanga? ahahaha EBB LAGI EH NOH?  :lol: :lol:
ok daw umiyak eh ikaw ata bakla d2 :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: slave on 31 May 2012 à 17:42:26
wahahaha bakla? o ganun ka lang katanga? ahahaha EBB LAGI EH NOH?  :lol: :lol:

wag mo ibahin usapan MrRUSTOM PADILLA  DAFA PALA LAGI AKO SAYO TRY NATIN NGAYUN AYAW  MO BIDA SA KWENTO mo BARBERONG BAKLA!!!
 :g186:

walang kwenta makaalis n nga...
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: RAY •❤• ANNE on 31 May 2012 à 17:44:00
non sense nmn tong thread na to. lalagay poll sabay aaccuse CE. NAG LAGAY KA PA NG POLL!!   :lol:

animation lng yan. khit cnong PRO karya ask mo  :g32:

TANGA KASI  :lol: :lol:

wag mo ibahin usapan MrRUSTOM PADILLA  DAFA PALA LAGI AKO SAYO TRY NATIN NGAYUN AYAW  MO BIDA SA KWENTO mo BARBERONG BAKLA!!!
 :g186:

walang kwenta makaalis n nga...

si inday maglalaba na kaya AFK daw muna sya

day magsaing ka narn ha?  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: Masochist on 31 May 2012 à 17:46:49
TANGA KASI  :lol: :lol:

si inday maglalaba na kaya AFK daw muna sya

day magsaing ka narn ha?  :lol: :lol:

wahahahahaha  :g20: :lol:
Title: Re: CE or Not CE??? pls VOTE!
Post by: Supervisor 4 on 31 May 2012 à 18:09:18
Whats the poll all about? If you find the player using a 3rd party program, go ahead capture and post it in violation section with supported videos. GM 3000 will then decide if the accused user is guilty or not. We do not tolerate flame threads such as this.